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Poll: What Do You Think of the New L.A. County Beach Ban on Certain Objects?

The board of supervisors has approved new restrictions on what can be done on L.A. County beaches and when. Violators can be fined up to $1,000.

Editor's Note: Updated Thursday, Feb. 9, 2012, 7:50 p.m. Due to inaccurate information in the article this poll was based upon, the actual fines are as follows: Up to $100 for a first violation; up to $200 for a second violation of the same ordinance within one year and a fine up to $500 for each additional violation of the same ordinance within one year. But, yes, you could stil be fined up to $1,000 if caught in the act on numerous occasions.

On Tuesday, Feb. 7, the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors passed an ordinance that identifies which flying objects are prohibited on the beach from Memorial Day through Labor Day.

Frisbee, soccer balls and other objects that can be cast, tossed, thrown, kicked or rolled, including any ball, tube or light object other than a beach ball or beach volleyball can be fined as much as $1,000 if they're caught in the act.

There are exemptions. People can still play Frisbee (or any other game that requires throwing or kicking a ball, object or tube) in designated areas, if they have a permit from the director of the Department of Beaches and Harbors or permission from a local lifeguard or fire chief.

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Gerry O'Connor February 10, 2012 at 03:38 AM
The wording of this poll is *VERY* misleading and erroneously leads rational minds to quickly oppose this new ordinance when just a bit more due diligence would likely cause many to actually support it. As I commented on the more thorough MB Patch article on this topic, such beach activities have been illegal for decades and the new ordinance actually lifts/softens many aspects of those prohibitions! See http://knabe.com/2012/02/09/beach-ordinance-does-not-ban-footballs-frisbees/ ... also ... http://rentfoodbroke.com/​bum-around/read-something/​la-bans-frisbees-or-does-it​.html ... also ... http://zev.lacounty.gov/news/environment/coasts/beach-director-says-frisbees-are-fine
Liz Spear (Editor) February 10, 2012 at 03:45 AM
Yes, indeed, rational minds would oppose such a ban as stated in the poll. Yes, indeed. The bottom line is that even with replacing a previous all-out ban with a partial ban, common sense might be appalled and reject such a ban, any sort of ban. I agree that the first longer article was not accurate and should state that. And yes, this poll was based on that initial inaccurate article, therefore, we'll move on. But the ordinance does seem a bit bizarre, period. Of course, that's for readers to decide. Oh, yeah, Gerry: L.A. County will approve the city's permit to have alcohol on the beach for the centennial gala if the city meets the criteria the county has set forth, so it's not accurate to say that because the county hasn't signed the initial request, there's a chance they won't if the criteria are met. The county will sign the permit as long as the criteria are met.
Gerry O'Connor February 10, 2012 at 03:58 AM
Wow -- hijacking your own columns now, Liz? ;-) But if we're to discuss the alcohol on the beach issue here, I've never suggested the County would not approve the permit requested by the City if the City indeed meets the criteria defined by the County. I've merely objected when some have referred to the County response as an approval. It's not an approval -- that can only come if the City meets the County speciified criteria. The real issue has not been affected by this out-of-sequence dance the City intiated with the County -- the City must still address its own prohibitions. I hope we're now clear.
Jake Rome February 10, 2012 at 07:58 AM
On the permit thing... I've gotten County permits the last 2 years, each time just several weeks before the event (cutting it WAY too close). In both cases, the county indicated that approval would be granted as long as certain conditions were met. However, until we got the signed permit, there certainly was an uneasy element of uncertainty. Not approved, not denied. On track for approval is probably the best descriptor. Of course, now I'll have to get a permit if I want to play catch this summer, so I better get working now! (Just kidding... I know I can simply ask a lifeguard for permission before tossing a Frisbee on the beach.)
Liz Spear (Editor) February 10, 2012 at 03:37 PM
Thanks for adding some levity to this discussion and the day, Jake!
Liz Spear (Editor) February 10, 2012 at 03:52 PM
Gerry, Here is what you wrote on the Daily Breeze site: Drew Pierson got this story dead wrong on numerous counts, including the headline. The County's response was a DENIAL, *not* an "approval"! That response consisted of a cover letter that defined the obvious need (that the MB Council should have recognized) for the City to FIRST address it's own decades-old ordinances prohibiting the very alcohol service it so inappropriately requested of the County. Attached to that cover letter was the *unsigned*, *unapproved* permit application! (The County COULD have approved the permit by signing the permit application submitted by the City and including the condition that the City's ordinances be repealed -- but instead the County specifically chose NOT to approve the permit application at all.) How could anyone view this response as an "approval" instead of the obvious DENIAL it is?!? The MB Council must now do what they should have done in the first place -- ask the residents if they want to repeal their long standing, well founded ordinances prohibiting alcohol on the beach in order for a single evening 'Centennial Gala' ticketed event on the beach to include alcohol, thereby setting the precedent and opening the floodgates for future beach events to allow alcohol.... http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_19869947?IADID=Search-www.dailybreeze.com-www.dailybreeze.com
Gerry O'Connor February 10, 2012 at 08:12 PM
Liz, I know well what I wrote in numerous other forums on the topic and I absolutely stand by my words. Despite your insistent assertion, nowhere, including in the above passage, have I suggested or would I suggest that a County approval could or would not come in the future if the City chooses to meet all the criteria defined by the County (not the least of which is to repeal the City's own ordinance prohibiting alcohol on the beach). Again, as I attempted to clarify to you above, I've merely objected to the gross mischaracterization, primarly by the Beach Reporter (and its parent publication The Daily Breeze), that the County's recent initial response to the City's permit application was an "approval". It categorically was not. (For reference, I like Jake Rome's above suggestion that there has now been an 'approval track' defined by the County -- but by any measure, this approval track has some *huge* hurdles, and the City is therefore *far* from having obtained any "approval".) Liz, you recently made private inquiries of me on this topic, and I went to some length to privately respond in detail ... yet you still seem unclear on certain aspects. I respectfully suggest it's time to move on and focus on the real story here. Beyond this out-of-sequence City request for the County to permit something the City itself prohibits, the real question is if there is even any community support to repeal our long standing City prohibition of alcohol on the beach.
Jake Rome February 11, 2012 at 05:50 AM
At least we'll be able to toss a Frisbee around during the event since it's outside of the summer high season!
Beau Robinson February 11, 2012 at 09:10 PM
facist garbage, pinhead busybodies with too much time and a desire to regulate the crap out of everything and everyone push back these morons and fight the increasing laws that regulate our every move in an effort to make sure no one is ever annoyed, irritated, etc. you city council members should be ashamed, and if you are just pandering to the complainers, you need a lesson on liberty you arent listening to the people, and need a painful reminder of who you serve. stroller moms and old retirees grumpy they have to share their beach, or risk a stray frisbeee, what happened to you all? this was never the role of govt

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